Transcript for Episode 7: A Wibbly Wobbly MCU with Tai Gooden

Talia Franks: Hello and welcome to Into the Archives today, I’m joined by special guest Tai Gooden. Tai is a freelance writer and romance novelist. She’s the owner and chief officer of everything at Faith and Flames Candles, which offers candles with fixed intentions for meditation, silence, prayer, petitions, relaxation, and clarity.

Talia Franks: Tai is the features editor and writer at Nerdist, where she covers a wide variety of geek culture. Her writing has been published in Geek & Sundry, Bustle, VICE, Den of Geek, and more. She loves hanging out with her two children, eating sushi and inspiring others. When she’s not writing, she can be found on Twitter @taigooden or waiting for the Tardis to take her away.

Talia Franks: Tai it’s great having you on the pod.

Tai Gooden: It is great to be here. Thank you so much for inviting me on to be a guest.

Talia Franks: I’ve been so excited to have you, as a guest been saving this fic for you ever since we started talking about Doctor Who and MCU crossovers.

Tai Gooden: Yes. I like it it’s so wild now to see that this is, you know, I’ve been listened to a couple of the episodes and stuff, and it’s so wild that this is actually a thing now, like we talked about this at an event and you literally said, I’m going to do this idea because this is an awesome idea and you’re doing it. So congratulations to you.

Talia Franks: Thank you. Yeah. I’m just so excited to be here and to be doing this podcast. It’s been such a fun ride to be working on this project throughout this year and it’s just so exciting because this is, almost, gosh, I can’t even, I don’t even know how many episodes I’ve done now, but like we’re almost to the end of 2021, I came up with this idea, like right at the end of 2020.

Talia Franks: So this is, yes, it’s really exciting. (Transition music)

Talia Franks:

Talia Franks: So I’m wondering if you could tell me a little bit about who you are, what you do, some your current and past projects.

Tai Gooden: Oh, well, I mean, you, you summed it up really good in your bio, but, like you said, I am right now, the editor and writer at Nerdist. So I, I do a whole bunch of different content coverage there. Sometimes I do reviews. I’ll do like op-eds and everything. As far as a current project that I’m actually working on, I am actually a part of a book series now called the She Series.

Tai Gooden: And so they take different women from history. We were assigned a word and we had to build an essay around that word. So, I, I can’t really reveal, at least, I don’t think I’m supposed to reveal, the people that I wrote about, but I do have two entries in that and that is something that should be coming out soon.

Tai Gooden: It had a really successful Kickstarter, and a lot of people seem to be really excited about that project. So I’m really, really thrilled that that’s coming. I am also working on my first romance novel very slowly. Like. My goal was to have it done by the end of this year, but it’s not going to happen (Tai laughs) because I got too much other stuff going on.

Tai Gooden: So that

Talia Franks: It will happen when it happens.

Tai Gooden: Yeah like, I mean, I, I just moved and, you know, just busy with work and family and all of that stuff. So fingers crossed that that book will be coming out in February 2022. Like that’s the new goal now.

Talia Franks: But that’s so exciting! Those both sound like such great projects and I really love your writing.

Talia Franks: So I’m just very excited.

Tai Gooden: Well, thank you. Yeah. I’m super excited too. And I actually came up with, and I’ve been like brainstorming some more ideas or when I finished this, the romance novel I’m working on. So I’ve got like an anthology series in mind and just a couple of other, like still formulating, but cool ideas that I, that I plan on doing in 2022.

Talia Franks: Oh, that sounds awesome. (Transition music)

Talia Franks: So I was wondering, because this is a, fanfiction and fandom podcast

Tai Gooden: Yeah,

Talia Franks: and I know that you’ve done a lot of writing surrounding geek culture, if you could tell me what sort of your relationship and experience with fandom has been, and sort of what, to what extent that might’ve, involved fanfiction as well?

Tai Gooden: Oh, well, I kind of have an interesting relationship with, with different fandoms, at least a few of my main ones anyway. I tend to really get involved, because I am a Doctor Who fan and I’m a Walking Dead fan. And I am a fan of some Marvel properties and some things that fall up under that umbrella.

Tai Gooden: And I also really like web comics and stuff too, but I tend to go for the more kind of obscure ones as opposed to the, to the more popular narratives. But I kind of stay out of the general fandom stuff just because in so many of those fandoms there’s a lot of toxicity and, you know, just constant drama and, and things that I don’t want to be a part of it, but each fandom, I try to find my niche and find my people, which I mean, I think as you know, most people of color will tell you that’s kind of the thing to do to be able to feel like you can operate and participate in the fandom in a safe and enjoyable way because otherwise it can go left field really, really fast. But I still do have some interaction with like the general fandom. I kind of can’t help it because of what I do for a living. And I find that most of the interactions I have are pretty positive, especially in (inaudible) that I write and everything like that, but I’ve definitely gotten like the angry emails before the “well actually” emails before to “well, actually” me only to find out that I was the person that was right in the first place. So that’s always fun, you know how that goes. But as far as fanfic, I love, love, love Walking Dead fanfic like, I don’t read a whole lot of fanfiction anymore, but, and I’ve done like some Doctor Who fanfic to a, to a certain extent, but Walking Dead fanfic is like my absolute favorite because it’s such a, it’s such a expansive world and the universe to be able to work with.

Tai Gooden: And then you have so many characters that you can write. Flip and put together in so many different ways. Like I like stuff that’s in universe and that kind of fills in the gaps because there are a lot of time jumps in walking dead. So I like things that kind of fill in those time jumps. And re-imagine what may have happened between seasons or,

Tai Gooden: A lot of times the walking dead will break their seasons up.

Tai Gooden: It’s like a half and half and six months we’ll pass a year old pass. There have been, there was one point where like six years passed. And so a lot of people did a lot of fanfic to kind of fill in “okay, what happened to these characters during that six year time period That we literally saw past within an episode?” Like someone died and then years later, you know, we’re here with new characters and stuff and it was kind of jarring when we watched it, like “Whoa, what happened?”

Tai Gooden: So it was really cool to see that, but then I also like a lot of the, like a lot of the alternate universe stuff. Like some of that is my favorite because it takes some of those characters and takes them out of that apocalyptic world and just puts them in our regular world. Like what would happen if these characters came together and fell in love, went on vacation, had Christmas together. And were just generally friends, like in real life, without running from zombies and dealing with, you know, people trying to murder them and kill them all the time and stuff. So I love that re-imagining that, that people do there. It’s really, really great.

Tai Gooden: I wish I had time to read more fanfic though, because I think a lot of it, I think sometimes people who aren’t familiar with fanfiction can kind of have weird opinions about it like, it’s low brow. It’s not real content. It’s not real art, but I mean, a person that’s crafting a fanfiction still has to put the same amount of, the only, I guess, advantage if that’s the word you want to use is that they’re using characters that already exist so they don’t have to make up characters, but they still have to create dialogue. They still have to create scenes and settings and they still have to have. a lot of but they still have to create dialogue. They still have to create scenes and settings and they still have to have a lot of creativity to be able to craft these stories. And they are excellent stories, a lot of times excellent narratives. And especially speaking from the Walking Dead in recent years, where there have been a lot of problematic things and problematic issues within the show, a lot of the fanfiction actually retells or retools those stories in a way that I find to be more enjoyable than what I watched on television.

Tai Gooden: So, I mean, to me, fanfic is such an important and vital part. You know, whether it’s Walking Dead fandom, Doctor Who, or any other fandom that you’re a part of because it’s the fans really taking something that belongs to them. And that then that belongs in their heart. And, you know, either re-imagining it to kind of suit their own liking or filling in those gaps.

Tai Gooden: It was just showing how much of a dedication and a love they have for the art form.

Talia Franks: Yeah. Yeah that’s basically why I love fanfic in a nutshell, (Talia and Tai laugh) especially with what you’re saying about alternate universe fic, because it really is just so great to see, especially with in series where the show takes place in a setting that’s apocalyptic or a setting like Doctor Who, where it’s, you know, outer space fantastical, it’s really interesting to see what it’s like when you plop them in the everyday world.

Tai Gooden: Right.

Talia Franks: And just to see what it would be like if they were living in a day-to-day situation.

Tai Gooden: Yeah. And like with Doctor Who too, there are so many things that kind of get left, open on the show.

Tai Gooden: So, and I can’t remember the name of it now. I wish I had thought about it before I came on, but there was one fic that explored, and, and Rose wasn’t necessarily one of my favorite characters, but it was a fic that explored what happened with her and Metacrisis Ten on the parallel Earth. So, I mean, that’s like a, kind of like a loose thread that never really got tied up in the show.

Tai Gooden: We just kind of left those characters there and that fanfiction and filled in the gaps of it. And I mean, the show goes, I mean, all across space and time, like, I mean, there are a Billion literal things that you can write and you can make up and kind of imagine in that world.

Talia Franks: Yeah. That’s definitely one of my One of my favorite fics that I talked about in my first episode on this, on this podcast was talking about rose and Metacrisis Ten, and what would happen if they ended up raising Harry Potter. (Tai laughs)

Tai Gooden: Oh my gosh.

Talia Franks: Yeah. That fic is tragically unfinished, and I’m so upset by it.

Tai Gooden: Oh, that’s the worst part when you get to one and you really get into it. And then, you know, you understand that the person writing, you know, that’s behind writing it is a person and they may have whatever going on in their life. Or maybe they just said “to hell with it I don’t feel like writing this anymore,” but it’s so sad when you get into one and then it just ends and you’re waiting for months and months and your lifetime for it to finish. And it’s just never finishes

Talia Franks: It hasn’t been updated since 2017, but

Tai Gooden: Oh my gosh, I don’t think you’re going to get (Tai trails off into laughter)

Talia Franks: I’m never gonna get it back, but it’s okay. (Transition music)

Talia Franks: What was actually your first fandom, if you can recall.

Tai Gooden: I probably say my first fandom was Star Trek. Somewhere between Star Trek and, and, and like the Lord of the Rings, Hobbit world. Star Trek. I actually got introduced to by my grandmother. I kind of call her like an OG Nerd or whatever, even though she never really referred to herself in that way.

Tai Gooden: Like I used to spend a lot of time at her house. She’s my maternal grandmother. And that was what she watched TV. She was a huge wrestling fan. So that was how I got into wrestling and stuff as a kid. And she loved watching Star Trek, like she watched the next generation. So that was, you know, really my introduction in, and then we ended up going back later on and she kind of introduced me to the original series and, and all of that stuff.

Tai Gooden: So oddly enough, even though I’m not like a diehard, Trekkie, you know, or anything like that, like that was really my first fandom. And then my dad is, just a really big like Lord of the Rings, Hobbit fan, or whatever. So I read those books when I was younger and then we ended up actually going and watching the movies together. Like he even had a dog named Smeagol. So (Tai laughs) like, those two were really my gateway into fandom because my mom never really got into any of the things that I was into. And even now she’s kind of like, I don’t know about any of that weird stuff that you she just calls it “that weird stuff that I like” so, like, she respects my right to like it, but it’s definitely not her thing.

Tai Gooden: And, and my sister and I are very, very different people. So yeah, I mean, I came in through, through Star Trek, like watching that as a kid, just, I think a lot of nineties kids can relate to that though. Like kind of having to stay with the grandmother, your parents are working. So your grandma watched the stories, you watched the stories, your grandma watches jeopardy, you’re watching jeopardy, your grandma watches Star Trek.

Tai Gooden: You end up watching Star Trek. And I mean, I just, you know, I just remember that excitement of seeing it and wanting to travel among the stars. And I mean, with Star Trek being pretty progressive, you know, for a series back then, as far as seeing people who look like me and who had various you know positions of authority and actually got a chance to speak and be like fully, you know, formed a realized characters or whatever.

Tai Gooden: So Star Trek always has a special place in my heart because my relationship with my grandma,

Talia Franks: That’s lovely.

Tai Gooden: That was a rambling answer. But I got there.

Talia Franks: No, no I love it. (Transition music)

Talia Franks: I wanna tell you about this fic, it’s great.

Tai Gooden: Oh my goodness. I’m so ready for this. This is about to be ridiculous.

Talia Franks: I’ve been so excited about this fic for so long.

Talia Franks: This fic is called Time Anomaly by Morena_Evensong. Summary: On August 1st, 2017, a giant ship suddenly appears in the skies above New York and mercilessly destroys several buildings, including Stark Tower. The Avengers must unite in order to defeat this new villain from the future before he manages to conquer Earth. In July, 1944, Amy Williams-Pond looks up at the invisible crack in the sky and fears the worst.

Talia Franks: So my favorite thing about this fic is that, it, undoes my least favorite Doctor Who episode, which

Tai Gooden: Okay,

Talia Franks: it’s not Sleep No More, it’s not Love and Monsters, it’s Angels Take Manhattan. (Talia laughs as they speak) I hate that episode.

Tai Gooden: Really?

Talia Franks: Yes. Specifically. I hate how Amy and Rory get trapped in the past. (Talia and Tai laugh softly)

Talia Franks: I hate how Amy and Rory’s storyline ends. So much, with a fierceness and a passion,

Tai Gooden: Oh my God. I never knew that. Like I just, I mean, I know people that don’t necessarily enjoy it and it wasn’t their favorite thing because they love them as, you know, a couple and companions and stuff. Like, it’s definitely not my favorite thing, but I think you may be the first person that I’ve known to be like, I loathe the way that it’s ended, because people were like, it’s so, oh, it’s so weird.

Tai Gooden: You know, such this big emotional thing or whatever.

Talia Franks: No, trapping Amy Pond in the 1930s? How dare you.

Tai Gooden: Like ugh

Talia Franks: Like, forcing them to live through world war two, knowing what’s going to happen. And the fact that they’re not going to be able to do anything to stop it?

Tai Gooden: That is literally, that’s like this, that’s the worst part of The Weeping Angels, like sending you back to the past you know all of this terrible stuff is going to happen and you just have to deal with it. And then everybody you know isn’t even born yet.

Talia Franks: Yeah, I just,

Tai Gooden: So you’re just you’re stuck. And then how do you, how do you, I wonder, so, I mean, we’re in 2021 now say we unfortunately, you know, ended up back, I don’t know, a hundred years or something like that.

Tai Gooden: How do you navigate through that world without kind of accidentally giving yourself away? In some kind of way. Like, I feel like you’re going to do or say something that’s going to indicate, like, either people are going to look at you like, what does that mean? Because you’re using like a term that literally doesn’t make any sense in that, in that realm or you just, I don’t know, you just don’t behave and act like a person from that time period.

Tai Gooden: Like, I feel like that’s, I, I would, me personally, I would so easily mess that up and I don’t know, I’ll probably end up in jail or something like that, doing something stupid

Talia Franks: Also they’re British in New York.

Tai Gooden: Right. So people are already looking at you.

Talia Franks: The audacity. But yes, so they’re trapped in the 1930s and I just, I hate that for them so much. Like

Tai Gooden: Definitely not a fan. Definitely not a fan of it. I can’t say I hate it, but I’m not a fan.

Talia Franks: I absolutely, I cannot handle it. I just, it’s such a bad ending for them. It makes me so upset does not sit right with my spirit, but this fic fixes it!

Tai Gooden: Okay.

Talia Franks: So basically the fic opens actually with Bill. I love Bill. Bill is the best. Unfortunately she gets, she doesn’t get as much screen time in this fic as I would have liked, but she has in it.

Tai Gooden: Oh, I love that she’s there.

Talia Franks: So Yaz, Not Yaz, Bill,

Tai Gooden: Bill

Talia Franks: Bill is retrieving a mysterious box from the Tardis, the Doctor is elsewhere, and has asked her to retrieve, retrieve a box from the Tardis. She doesn’t know what the box is and

Tai Gooden: Okay

Talia Franks: and there’s a mysterious phone call and then she answers the phone.

Talia Franks: And then it’s Amy Pond and Amy says that the Doctor has to be in New York on September 3rd, 2017, because there’s a crack in the sky and the world’s gonna end.

Tai Gooden: Okay.

Talia Franks: Basically she says there’s a time traveler trying to take over the world and change the future, and there’s crack in the sky and the Doctor needs to come help them.

Tai Gooden: Alright, got it.

Talia Franks: Is the TLDR of Amy’s message. And so then Bill is like, right, got it. And then she like goes, runs out with the box and then mayhem has basically ensued and there’s like fire and smoke everywhere. And

Tai Gooden: Ah

Talia Franks: So she goes and finds the Doctor. And then the Doctor basically says that the box has Parisian truffles, that they have to give the temple priest.

Talia Franks: If the temple priest hasn’t been killed in the insurrection happening. (Tai laughs) And then, so they run off and you never hear the end to that story.

Talia Franks: This is all just preamble.

Tai Gooden: I’m like look is the priest alive? And wait I’m assuming we’re talking about Twelve right? The Twelfth Doctor.

Talia Franks: This is Twelve and Bill. (Talia laughs)

Tai Gooden: Okay. Okay.

Talia Franks: And then they go off and have that whole adventure. And we never hear anything else about that adventure.

Tai Gooden: Oh God.

Talia Franks: Because this is all preamble to the next thing, you know, it’s Captain America and Tony Stark, waking up in an alley and they’re basically very disconcerted.

Talia Franks: They don’t know what’s happening. So like, you don’t really know what’s happening and they wake up in this alley and they realize they’re in Brooklyn, but they’re in 1940s, Brooklyn, and they’ve encountered Amy Williams and her son, Timothy.

Tai Gooden: Hmmm.

Talia Franks: And Mrs. Williams very conveniently suggests that Captain America is on a secret mission, hiding from Nazi spies and thus they take them under their protection and let them hide at their home.

Talia Franks: And so she basically convinces them that their own cover is their idea.

Tai Gooden: Okay

Talia Franks: And it’s really hilarious because Tony’s like, oh, nice cover with like the Nazi spy trick. And then Steve’s like, actually I kinda just was jumping off of Mrs. Williams, assumption or whatever. And then I was like, no, Amy was definitely

Tai Gooden: Well, that’s always Tony, like assuming that he’s a little bit smarter than you know, everybody in the room. Like how could anybody else possibly come up with a good idea, right?

Talia Franks: Yeah. So basically Steve pretends to be him, his past self.

Tai Gooden: Right.

Talia Franks: Tony pretends to be his father’s cousin and they go and hang out with the Williams’s. And so Amy and Rory have adopted three children, Ben, Beth and Tim.

Tai Gooden: Okay.

Talia Franks: They set up shop with the device that sent them back in time in the Williams’s garage and Tony’s trying to fix it so that they can go back to the future.

Tai Gooden: Got it.

Talia Franks: And interspersed with their time in the past there’s chapters explaining how they got to the past. And so, okay. So also, have you seen Loki?

Tai Gooden: Yes.

Talia Franks: Okay. So the interesting thing is the big bad for this Kang the Conqueror. (Talia laughs)

Tai Gooden: Oh what? (Tai laughs)

Talia Franks: But the funny thing is this fic came out in 2017.

Tai Gooden: I was going to say, I thought this was a few years old.

Talia Franks: Yeah. So this fic is based on like the comics Kang the Conqueror. But I think

Tai Gooden: Got it, okay

Talia Franks: that like Kang the Conqueror is now in everyone’s consciousness because of Loki but no

Tai Gooden: Yeah

Talia Franks: this was written in 2017 because Kang the Conqueror is a comic book character.

Tai Gooden: Yeah.

Talia Franks: So what happens is in the future in this taking place in 2017. It’s basically right after Captain America Civil War. So in the aftermath of the Sokovia Accords, Cap and them are on the run, but like these spaceships appear in the sky, and there’s, this guy Kang the Conqueror, who basically says that he’s taking over earth, all the like different world leaders and the Avengers need to surrender, or he’s going to destroy all these like major world cities.

Talia Franks: And so he appears

Tai Gooden: Oh

Talia Franks: over New York, he’s like stationed primarily over in New York,

Tai Gooden: Yeah,

Talia Franks: with like smaller satellite ships, one over Washington, two over London and one over Moscow.

Tai Gooden: So he’s literally taking over the world, like

Talia Franks: literally taking over the world. And so he destroys Avengers tower and one like mysterious building that the Avengers aren’t really sure what it is.

Talia Franks: They’re like it was unaffiliated with, as far as they know the Avengers or the U.S. Military, it’s this mysterious building. They don’t know why they destroyed it. It’s in New York.

Tai Gooden: Okay.

Talia Franks: And so the Avengers are trying to get in contact with their UN liaison so that they can like make moves against Kang the Conqueror.

Talia Franks: But Kang puts a sort of blackout over New York. So no one can communicate with anyone in a wide radius and no flights can take off and like, no one can basically go anywhere. So they all retreat to the old Stark mansion. And then Captain America in all the anti-Accords people and also, T’Challa and all the Wakandans who have teamed up with them call Pepper and she tells them that Tony probably went to the old Stark mansion. And so then they all converge there. The TV reporters show up because they want to talk to Tony Stark and Iron Man and see what’s up with him. And then Kang the Conqueror’s forces, which are basically all on these like hover chairs with blasters.

Talia Franks: So they descend from the ships in like, and so they call them floaters because they’re shooting at them from these like hover chairs protected by force fields that are just floating around.

Tai Gooden: Yeah

Talia Franks: So they call them floaters. And so then they descend and start attacking them.

Talia Franks: And then that’s when, Tony and Steve gets sent back to the past. So,

Tai Gooden: so that ties all of that.

Talia Franks: So that ties all that,

Tai Gooden: ties all of that together. Why do I think when you say hover chair, like, why, why am I thinking? Like hub around in my head. So I’m thinking about like floating. (Tai laughs) That’s not what that is like in my head. I keep thinking hub around. And I’m like, I keep thinking about it floating hub around in like a bubble, shooting lasers at people.

Talia Franks: No, I mean like they’re not I was like more imagining them kinda like, you know, like Davros’ chair.

Tai Gooden: Like a circular thing with someone sitting in the middle.

Talia Franks: Like I was picturing them, but anyway, they’re basically like, just people are in like hover chairs with blasters and they’re able to like attack people. They’re just, I don’t know. I was imagining them as like, I don’t know, fancy armchairs

Tai Gooden: So they get blessed it and then sent back in time?

Talia Franks: Yeah. So basically what happens is Steve gets hit with a ray and then gets hit with this machine and it starts like ticking like it’s a bomb and then Tony tries to disarm it, but then he gets like caught up in its field.

Talia Franks: But then when he goes back to the future, basically Amy and Rory and Ben and Beth and Tim sneak in so that they also get caught in the radius so that they also go to the future with them.

Tai Gooden: Love it.

Talia Franks: And then when they get back to the future they don’t end up right where they’re supposed to be. Like they don’t end up exactly where they left. And they can’t exactly hide from. The floaters because they can detect that like a huge, like time travel vortex just happened. Right. And who rescues them but River Song who is just randomly popped up (Tai laughs in surprise)

Tai Gooden: Where she comes from?

Talia Franks: Like, how did you know to find us? And then she’s like spoilers, but someone told her that she needed to be there at that time and that date to come rescue them. And that it would be basically the last time that she’d get a chance to see them.

Tai Gooden: Aww

Talia Franks: to come and rescue it’s, it’s actually very sad. They have a very

Tai Gooden: aww

Talia Franks: They have a very sad goodbye moment.

Talia Franks: I mean, like not right away, because right away she’s busy rescuing them.

Tai Gooden: Right.

Talia Franks: She uses her squareness gun to, they travel through a bunch of offices and like through a bunch of basements. So like they go down and she uses it to travel between basements of different buildings, like connecting buildings that shouldn’t be connected.

Talia Franks: I was gonna say, why are they connected? They are only connected because she basically like uses the plasma

Tai Gooden: So she’s like blasting a tunnel,

Talia Franks: So she’s basically blasting a tunnel between different buildings between, between the ground, like connect different basements

Tai Gooden: and they pick the worst time to come back. Like, imagine you get stuck in the past, and then you finally make your way back and there’s floating hover chairs

Talia Franks: Well the

Tai Gooden: shooting people

Talia Franks: the reason that they did that is because the reason that they like came back was because like to save the world, because she grew up with a crack in her bedroom wall she could see that the crack had come back and that the universe was ending

Tai Gooden: or yeah, somebody else might have to get that.

Tai Gooden: I don’t know if I’m fully equipped to be able to do that might need to might need to stay where I’m at, but I’m glad she’s got that confidence I appreciate it.

Talia Franks: She’s got that confidence also, like if I’m getting the timelines correct. When Amy and Rory got sent back, they were about 30 and they lived for 10 years. So at this point there are about 40.

Talia Franks: So at this point I feel like they’re tired. They’re like, they’ve traveled through time a lot. And they talk about in the fic, so at one point you hear Amy’s internal monologue and she’s like, “you know, I had fun traveling with the Doctor and part of me wants to keep traveling. And part of me is like, I have a comfortable life. I’m settled with a family. I’m not sure if I want to keep crawling through spaceships.”

Tai Gooden: Right. Which I think as you get older and stuff too, ’cause like, especially when you’re looking at Doctor Who you look at, like some of the younger companions, like Rose, right.

Tai Gooden: You know what I mean, you’re at that age where you’re 19 and you don’t have a whole lot going on for you, you haven’t really settled down. And so you’re in that mind frame of like, I want to see it all. I want to travel the stars. I want to, you know, do all there is to do out there. But I mean, after you’ve like seen the good, but then also have to like live through all that bad stuff that they had to like see and experiencing and everything like that.

Tai Gooden: I think you, like, as you get older, you kind of get to that plateau of like, okay, that was the thing I’ve done. I know how dangerous this could be. There’s a strong possibility that the next trip could be the last trip and not in a good way, because either you’re, you could get, you know, you get abandoned, you get killed, you can get something like that.

Tai Gooden: So like, I would totally understand them wanting to be like, nah, I’m not, I’m not traveling anymore. Like, I’m good. I had that experience. I’m living a comfortable life now. Like I have no desires kind of like when Ten was trying to invite Sarah Jane,

Talia Franks: Mhmm

Tai Gooden: you know, like back in the Tardis again, and she’s like, no, I’ve got my own life now.

Tai Gooden: Like I, you know, I got K9 back, like I can do and investigate, and I can live a full life here. I don’t have to necessarily be with you or be attached to you and realizing that there’s an end that has to come to it. Like you can’t do it forever.

Talia Franks: Yeah. And that’s actually one of the really beautiful things about this fic is that there’s a point where Amy and Rory and Twelve and Bill are all exploring a spaceship together.

Talia Franks: And we get to see both the reflection of Amy and Rory on like, or mostly Amy on Bill and like remembering what it was like to be that youthful companion.

Tai Gooden: Yeah.

Talia Franks: Also Bill about like wishing that she had that like maturity and that confidence that Amy and Rory had as older companions.

Tai Gooden: Yeah, I like that.

Tai Gooden: And I mean, I, that’s something that I feel like we really haven’t seen in the show before, like even with Sarah Jane and Rose interacting it, it started off very like catty and stuff. At first, before they kind of got to a, to a point of like a mutual understanding or whatever. So that’s really cool.

Talia Franks: Yeah

Tai Gooden: Now, how did they end up actually converging and crossing paths?

Talia Franks: Yeah. So that’s actually like kind of the great part. So first of all, I love one of my favorite things is how they were kind of like consistently trolling Tony Stark, because he kept asking them all sorts of questions that they just kept non answering. Like he kept asking River for her tech; she kept saying, no, she kept saying spoilers.

Talia Franks: She kept saying, you can’t have that. She kept saying thems the rules regarding time travel. (Tai laughs) They also kept consistently like teasing their adventures. Including the one, the one that they kept repeating was that they refused to give a straight answer about why they shoved Hitler into a cupboard, (Tai stifles laughter) because the punchline of it was that they were trying to, cause the whole thing is Kang, the whole reason he came back in time was because basically the earth got destroyed because of, you know, climate change.

Tai Gooden: Yeah.

Talia Franks: Kang wanted to come back in time to like avert climate change and avert earth being destroyed. He lives on a moon colony, because the earth got completely like wrecked people

Tai Gooden: Yeah

Talia Franks: basically destroyed the earth and couldn’t live on it anymore.

Talia Franks: And his parents were botanists. And he was a scientist who basically like made his, his whole thing was like environment and like trying to make the earth better.

Tai Gooden: Got it

Talia Franks: and so he came back in time to like try to fix the earth, apparently the way he wanted to fix the earth was by taking over the world and changing the timelines.

Talia Franks: Anyway, the point

Tai Gooden: it’s very, very classic Marvel villain of him, like, um I’m trying to help by, by doing lots of harm.

Talia Franks: The point is the reason they kept hammering home, the shoving Hitler in a cupboard thing was that they could make the point of like, when you’re traveling in time, sometimes you have to like, let bad things happen.

Tai Gooden: Right.

Talia Franks: Like you, like you avert crises by doing things like shoving Hitler into a cupboard to get rid of him instead of, you know, actually averting all of world war iI.

Tai Gooden: Right. And that’s something I totally feel like Tony would try to do, like try to fix everything because I mean, that’s kind of in his nature or whatever is to, is to be a fixer.

Tai Gooden: And I mean then also I think he just kind of gets a bit of that kind of egoic boost off of, you know, knowing that he’s able to, you know, do that and have that power. I find it so funny too, that he’s the least advanced person like among all of them or whatever, because you’re used to him being like, so, you know, top tier in, in Marvel in terms of the people that he’s around and like technological advancement.

Tai Gooden: And then these people are like, oh yeah, whatever. Like I’ve been across space and time I’ve been inside the Tardis. It’s like, it’s bigger on the bigger on the inside, you know, like River’s like my life doesn’t even make sense. (Tai laughs) How about that? I just thought my, my, my timeline, so, so, so twisted or whatever my life is ridiculous.

Tai Gooden: Beyond your understanding, your puny, human, human understanding.

Talia Franks: Yeah, and, and the scenes with River are really nice. And really sad because like you see her and Amy and Rory realize that it’s going to be the last time that they ever see each other and it’s going to end. It’s really sad. Yeah. But it’s really sweet too.

Talia Franks: But then they eventually make it to unit. And so one of my favorite things about this fic is this fic does one of my favorite things that a lot of fics do, which is basically it takes advantage of some people being it’s hard to describe this, but basically some people being really impressive and other people not knowing it?

Talia Franks: So like basically

Tai Gooden: Right

Talia Franks: Tony and like to explain what I mean, Tony and Steve think that the Williams’s are just like this normal family from the 1940s. And then

Tai Gooden: Yeah

Talia Franks: They show up in 2017 realize that not only are they from the 21st century, but when they show up to these UNIT folks, like when Amy introduces herself as Amy Williams Pond she suddenly like the most important person.

Tai Gooden: Right. They assumed to be themselves, of course, you know, before they, or whatever.

Talia Franks: And then they’re like, oh, wait a minute. Like, it’s this sort of shift?

Tai Gooden: Right.

Talia Franks: And I just love it when suddenly people have to make a huge cognitive shift about their assumptions, about a certain person,

Tai Gooden: Mhmm

Talia Franks: because it’s like, oh, I assumed that this person was like, quote, unimportant.

Talia Franks: Like I overlooked this person but oh no, this person is actually the most

Tai Gooden: right. They bring more value, like way more value than what you initially were bargaining for. You’re just thinking, okay. You know, they’re, they’re just kind of here, they’re along for the ride and stuff like that.

Tai Gooden: And then all of a sudden, again, you have to do like that shift, like, oh not only are you you’re important. You’re, you’re like more important than I am. Like that’s

Talia Franks: I thought I was the most important person in the room, but

Tai Gooden: Right

Talia Franks: I guess not.

Talia Franks: And also the there’s also a great point similar to this where, it’s actually, when the Doctor and Amy reunite which is so, they come back and so Amy is finally able to charge her phone that she’s been hanging on to. So she calls the Doctor. And then as they’re waiting, there’s these pods spring out of the earth and they realized that there are Silurians pods. So yes, the Silurians are in

Tai Gooden: Oh what? (Tai laughs)

Talia Franks: Um and so

Tai Gooden: I guess you saw my face. I’m like, the hell did they come from?

Talia Franks: Yeah. And so basically she and Steve, and T’Challa go down into the earth and realize that 20 years ago, Amy and Rory and the Doctor went and negotiated with the Silurians to get them on their side to fight against Kang.

Tai Gooden: Okay.

Talia Franks: And so then they know that the Doctor’s actually going to show up.

Talia Franks: They just don’t know when.

Tai Gooden: And so the Silurians are in the pods,

Talia Franks: No, Silurians send the pods up and then Amy’s like, guess I’m going to go down. Cause she’s Amy. So she just goes down and Steve

Tai Gooden: Okay

Talia Franks: decides to trust her. And then T’Challa is like, might as well, (Talia and Tai laugh) like I’ve always wanted to meet to dinosaurs.

Tai Gooden: This seems ridiculous enough, I think I’ll go along with it.

Talia Franks: The thing about when Amy and Rory meet T’Challa is that he’s wearing his mask. And so Rory says like is he a person wearing a mask or is he an actual cat person? (Tai laughs) And then Clint is like, have you actually met cat people? And then Rory’s like, you know, I’m not sure if they were aliens or if it was genetic splicing, I never asked.

Tai Gooden: Oh my God, that’s, that only you would, only a person who’s traveled with the Doctor would make that kind of assumption or ask something like that. Like, are you, are you wearing a mask or are you actually a cat? (Tai laughs)

Talia Franks: But anyway, they find out that they have the support of the Silurian army. So they go back up in like, at this point, it’s daytime and Thaddeus Ross has showed up, showed his annoying little face. And so he’s arguing with Kate Stewart and Osgood because I forgot to mention Osgood is the UN liaison.

Tai Gooden: Oh my God. They just, they throw everybody out there.

Talia Franks: They just throwing everybody in there. And the Zygons are there. (Talia and Tai laugh)

Talia Franks: Yeah. Everybody’s in there. And so Ross is all upset because he doesn’t like the Zygons. And so he’s being all Speciesist at the Zygons, derogatory at Kate saying you don’t have jurisdiction blahbity blah, blah, blah.

Talia Franks: And he’s like saying like you don’t have the resources.

Talia Franks: And then Amy pops in and says, you also have this Silurian army. And then Kate’s like, I have, what now?

Tai Gooden: What is that? (Tai and Talia laugh)

Talia Franks: And then, and then the funniest thing happened, which is Ross just keeps insisting. You’re not in charge here. And then finally the Doctor finally pops up and says, actually I do believe I’m in charge. And then he walks in and then like pulls down his sunglasses and like looks over the top and says, “I am still emergency president of the world, am I not?”

Tai Gooden: I love it. I could like picture that. I can picture that in my mind. So clearly. So w when he walks in, is that the first time that Amy sees him?

Talia Franks: Yeah. So it’s the first time that Amy sees him,

Tai Gooden: but she’s gotta be confused, right? She doesn’t know the concept of regeneration. I’m assuming.

Talia Franks: No, she does know about regeneration.

Tai Gooden: Okay.

Talia Franks: Like, she’s been told about regeneration. She hasn’t like met a new regeneration Doctor before.

Tai Gooden: Okay. But she is aware,

Talia Franks: but she’s aware of regeneration. And she knows that he has regenerated because um

Tai Gooden: Got it

Talia Franks: Kate told her that he’s regenerated and told her what he looks like.

Tai Gooden: Cool. I was wondering about that. I was like, huh. I wonder if she didn’t it, but that would be even more funny, like ridiculous if she didn’t know.

Talia Franks: But, but the funniest thing about this scene, so first of all, you can totally imagine Peter Capaldi doing that. But the second thing is, is that Amy calls him out on how dramatic it was and asks Bill if it was staged.

Talia Franks: And Bill says, yes, he was lurking outside, waiting for an opportunity

Tai Gooden: waiting for his moment. (Talia and Tai are laughing)

Talia Franks: She says that they were out there listening for a while until he could make his entrance.

Tai Gooden: He was practicing in his head, like making sure that he got it right. He got the tilt of the shades, right, everything like he would have made sure he made a grand entrance. Might’ve flatten his jacket a little bit to show little randomly inside drama. (Tai and Talia continue to laugh)

Tai Gooden: I love him. Twelve is one of my favorites. Oh my God. I love him so much. (Transition music)

Talia Franks: anyway, basically they come up with a plan to defeat Kang the Conqueror. And of course the plan is to first give him a chance to leave peacefully which he doesn’t take. So, and of course they’ve been in contact with, you know, the British people via using a combination of the Cardiff rift and Mr. Smith, Sarah Jane’s, Mr. Smith computer to basically create

Tai Gooden: Okay

Talia Franks: a network that UNIT could use to communicate with Torchwood through the communications barrier that Kang set up so that they could still be in communication. And they’re working, to take him down and infiltrate his ships.

Talia Franks: And like I said Amy and Rory and Bill go and infiltrate the ship. And when they get on the ship, they realized this something really weird is going on because there’s barely anyone on the ship. The engineering room’s deserted they’re using only surveillance drones, not very many security drones. So basically there’s only drones that look at stuff, very few drones that actually would take care of threats on the ship.

Tai Gooden: Got it

Talia Franks: And it’s all painting a mysterious picture and it’s patchy and also interesting to note, when the Avengers were fighting the floaters that some of their shields work better than others. Also the Doctor notes that like the hover chairs that they’re on are actually adopted from like crop dusters.

Talia Franks: So it’s like, all of their tech is really patchwork and weird and it’s kind of strange. And also Kang is from the leg 31st century. And

Tai Gooden: Right so why is their stuff so janky?

Talia Franks: Yeah no, but it’s weird because he shouldn’t even have access to time-travel technology because all this stuff that he supposedly has access to from the time agency is from the 41st century ish.

Talia Franks: So like all of this stuff is like very strange that he has it. Like, it’s all very like weird, mysterious patchwork. The Doctor finds out that actually he salvaged all the time, travel technology from like some time agents whose ship had crashed,

Tai Gooden: Mhmm

Talia Franks: and he has sort of cannibalized their tech and used it for his own.

Talia Franks: But basically they get on the ship. The Doctor and Bill are promptly captured. But Amy and Rory keep doing some digging and they find the time ship from the original time agents and the ship actually recognizes them, even though it didn’t recognize Kang because the ship apparently had UNIT archives and the UNIT archives recognized Amy Pond and Rory Williams even though it didn’t recognize Kang.

Talia Franks: So they were able to like ask it questions and like interact with the computer AI interface and like find out more information about the ship.

Tai Gooden: It’s so odd that like any type of defense or like fail, safe things on it though?

Talia Franks: Yes. So the thing is like Kang’s ship did have fail safes, did like, was protected against them,

Tai Gooden: mhmm

Talia Franks: but the thing is, it had basically overrode all of the original time agent ship stuff.

Talia Franks: So the time agent ship, like he had never fully accessed it. So it’s kind of like his ship had encased the other ship

Tai Gooden: Okay

Talia Franks: rather than actually and like pulled stuff out of it. So the other ship still was like fully inside of his ship and could access all the stuff in his ship, but he couldn’t access the stuff in that ship.

Tai Gooden: Right.

Talia Franks: If that makes sense.

Tai Gooden: No, it does. It’s kind of like a, I don’t know. I don’t want to say like a pregnancy or anything like that, but I mean, it’s the one separate entitity and another one that’s inside, but they’re two different.

Talia Franks: Yeah. It’s like a sealed off bit inside of it.

Tai Gooden: Yeah. Got it.

Talia Franks: Like I was picturing it. This is kinda weird, but I was picturing it like a mitochondria in a cell.

Tai Gooden: No, that’s not weird. That makes sense. Cause it’s like its own entity and property or whatever, and it has his own, you know, casing and housing and stuff. Like it’s a part of it, but it’s not intertwined with it.

Tai Gooden: Like fully intertwined with it, I guess it’s the.

Talia Franks: I just don’t know if that makes sense to people who don’t know anything about cell biology.

Tai Gooden: Yeah. No, that that does I don’t, I think that makes sense.

Talia Franks: Okay. But anyway, the point is that they’re on the ship for so long, that the Avengers are like, not really sure what’s going on.

Talia Franks: So they send Vision to go check up on them. So Vision goes and meets up with Amy and Rory. But then the Doctor and Amy and Rory and Vision and Bill all meet up and call Kang on his bluff because basically he does not have the firepower to take over.

Talia Franks: He just showed up, like, this is,

Tai Gooden: Right

Talia Franks: this was such a ballsy move on Kang’s part because he just showed up and was, and was like completely bluffing the whole time.

Tai Gooden: Yeah. So he just assumed that because he had the, the tech and the ships and all of that stuff like that, that people would just go along with it

Talia Franks: Mhmm

Tai Gooden: like I can’t really do anything to you, but I’m going to come with such an attitude that you won’t want to fact check me because you’re too afraid

Talia Franks: Basically.

Tai Gooden: I mean, it’s a good plan until it’s not a good plan or until you meet with a person who is even remotely curious or smart and has like the capability to be able to challenge you on it.

Talia Franks: Mhmm. Yeah. So they call his bluff and Kang is like, oh, you called my bluff. So I’m just going to kill you. (Tai laughs) The two security drones that he does have are about to kill the Doctor and them, but luckily Vision’s there and he just zaps them with the mind stone. And then it’s like, Oop! Guess you can’t do that.

Tai Gooden: Very convenient,

Talia Franks: Very convenient, having Vision there.

Tai Gooden: Very convenient.

Talia Franks: But basically all Vision is there to do, that’s the entire point of having Vision there was so that he could zap the security drones.

Talia Franks: And so then it could be vaguely ominous that Amy and Rory were having someone approach them. And the narrator didn’t tell us who was approaching them.

Talia Franks: And it was just Vision.

Tai Gooden: Therefore, straight up, just straight up convenience. He has no, no real purpose.

Tai Gooden: He’s just there for convenience.

Talia Franks: And also because then the Doctor reprograms the ship to make it, take them to the shadow proclamation so that he can turn and to the time agency so that he can turn Kang over the time police.

Tai Gooden: Okay.

Talia Franks: Basically then he reports them all to the Judoon, and so then they all show back up in the Tardis and then they have the moment of Vision coming back out of the Tardis and Vision’s like the fuck was that. (Talia and Tai laugh)

Talia Franks: And then when the Doctor says what he did and about how the time, police, are coming to round up Kang’s followers. Kate’s like, oh, great. I love dealing with the Judoon.

Tai Gooden: Do the Judoon talk in this fic? Or they don’t?

Talia Franks: They don’t actually ever show up. It’s just like the threat of showing up makes, makes Kate very upset because she doesn’t like dealing with them. But there’s also a thing where once they’re finally revealed to be from the present Rory threatens to punch Tony, if he ever propositions Amy again, because apparently in fashion week 2013 back when Amy was working as a model and Tony was still in his like Playboy phase

Tai Gooden: He tried to hit on her?

Talia Franks: Yeah.

Tai Gooden: That checks out actually. I mean, she’s definitely, Tony’s type, like

Talia Franks: mhmm

Tai Gooden: a hundred percent. Like she’s a, you know, I mean her and pepper don’t necessarily look alike or whatever, but I mean, you can see like some similarities there that she would definitely not that he really had a type because then again he’s Tony so he was just trying to like knock everybody down. But I mean, I guess if you’re going to like pinpoint a type, like Amy seems like the type of the type of woman he would try to hit on, and then he’d probably like super offended that she wasn’t into it either because it’s like, I’m Tony Stark. Like what do you mean? (Talia laughs) You’re you’re turning me down.

Tai Gooden: I’m Tony. Yes. Rory should, matter of fact, he shouldn’t even threaten to hit him the next time he should just hit him anyway.

Tai Gooden: Today’s been weird enough or whatever. I might as well get a hit off on you while I can, before we part ways. (Talia laughs)

Talia Franks: Yeah. And also the, the fun thing. Speaking of hitting and fight scenes, the fun thing about the fight scene too with all the floaters is it’s so chaotic because the Zygons are fighting as like some of the Avengers.

Talia Franks: So there’s like multiple Avengers and then there’s Silurians and then there’s also like airborne Silurians on I think there petradons is the name of the lizards dinosaur thing. But they keep calling them pterodactyls but they’re like, no, they’re not pterodactyls they’re petradons or whatever.

Tai Gooden: They’re flying lizards,

Talia Franks: but they’re flying lizards with Silurians on them

Tai Gooden: Lizards on top of the flying lizards.

Talia Franks: Silurians on top of flying lizards and it’s just so chaotic, but it was very well-written this is very interesting.

Talia Franks: And I really liked it

Talia Franks: And then it ended up being really really beautiful because in the epilogue, Tim, their youngest son, in his like forties, fifties ends up dropping off a letter that Amy and Rory wrote to River, basically telling her where to find them as like a final farewell letter gives it the fifth Doctor.

Talia Franks: And basically has like, kind of like a farewell. Like you don’t know me yet, but I’ll know you to the fifth Doctor.

Tai Gooden: Yeah.

Talia Franks: And it basically floats around the Fifth Doctor’s Tardis for a while. And then you see River who’s presumably traveling with the Eleventh Doctor at the moment, like just wandering through the library and then she finds it inside a book.

Talia Franks: And like, you see her read it and

Tai Gooden: Aww The Fifth Doctor is a little left field (Talia laughs)

Talia Franks: The Fifth Doctor is a little left field, but it was really

Tai Gooden: Where did he come from?

Talia Franks: It’s like the Fifth Doctor and Tegan and Turlough

Tai Gooden: Oh my God.

Talia Franks: But yeah, I dunno, maybe this author just has a fondness for the Fifth Doctor, but it was really but I thought that the moment where River reads the letter is really sweet.

Tai Gooden: Aww, I like that. It’s got like a whole, it’s got a mix of a little bit of everything in there, so, I mean, you’ve got like your humor you’ve got like your emotional beats and stuff like that. Like good, weirdness. And that’s something that kind of Doctor Who and Marvel, like, they really share it like this kind of like the tenants of those properties, right.

Tai Gooden: Is that you’re combining humor. You’re combining kind of like these twisted storylines, where everything is kind of interconnected and there’s a bunch of callbacks and Easter eggs and all that, stuff like that. And then you’ve got like, you know, your action piece and everything, but then there are always stories that have like, at the core of them, like heart, you know, like Amy and Rory getting the chance to come back to their time and come back home.

Tai Gooden: And like you said, fixing what went wrong with Angels Take Manhattan and stuff. And I don’t know. That’s just, that’s really, really, that’s an interesting, that’s an interesting fic. How long is it?

Talia Franks: It’s not that long, actually. I re-read it just this afternoon. I was already planning. I actually re-read it recently enough that I didn’t need to re-read it, but I re-read it again this afternoon because I was having a bad day and I wanted to. (Talia laughs)

Talia Franks: I love this fic. (Talia laughs while saying um)

Talia Franks: It’s only um 50 it’s 54,620 words.

Tai Gooden: Okay. That’s not bad. Cause I know you read you’re a pretty voracious reader. So like you’re like, you know, idea of what may be short. (Talia and Tai laugh)

Talia Franks: It’s like a NaNoWriMo length fic.

Tai Gooden: That’s something I can do now, now that I know a whole bunch about it, I’m gonna have to go and read it.

Talia Franks: I did leave a lot of stuff out.

Talia Franks: Not a lot, a lot of stuff, but I did leave enough stuff out, that it’s worth reading.

Tai Gooden: Yeah. I’m gonna have to check that out. That’s like, that’s really cool. (Inaudible) now that it bought, you know, that it had came in there with Kang being such a major, you know, being such a major character or whatever.

Tai Gooden: So this person obviously has some, you know, has some, has some comic book love that they put into it to too.

Talia Franks: Yeah, and I will say that whenever I retell fics on this podcast, I always leave out. I always leave out enough that it’s always worth reading the fic by itself. Like I left out pretty much everything about Amy and Roy’s kids, and there’s a pretty decent amount.

Tai Gooden: Curious too or whatever, but I felt like you probably were, you know, probably were doing it on purpose.

Talia Franks: Yeah, no, I definitely left out some. I couldn’t retell an entire 54,000 fic.

Tai Gooden: I was wondering how much when you’re saying like with Tony and Cap, not really like fully understanding who the Williams were or whatever. I was just curious about how much the kids know about, you know, their parents. So that’s, you know, that’s part of the reason I want to read it too.

Tai Gooden: Cause I’m always, I don’t know. I’m always curious about that or whatever, especially in, you know, in like science fiction stories and things like that, where you have people who’ve had like these adventures and stuff. Cause you, don’t not that you don’t see parents in them often. But to me it’s always interesting when parents show up in them, because even for the average parent and me kind of speaking from that experience, like there are so many facets and so many like facets of yourself that your kids have no idea about.

Tai Gooden: You know, they see you like in this very, very specific. You know, lens and kind of don’t realize that you had a life before them and you know, and you did things and experience things and stuff. So I’m looking forward to reading it and seeing what that dynamic is between them.

Talia Franks: Yeah, no I think that Amy and Rory’s identity as parents is very important to this fic.

Tai Gooden: I love it. This fic was good.

Talia Franks: Yeah,

Tai Gooden: That was a good one. I like it.

Talia Franks: Yeah. I’m glad you like it. And again, it’s called Time Anomaly by Morena_Evensong. (Transition music)

Talia Franks: Well, thank you for being on. Do you want to tell listeners where to find you? Online. Not where you live.

Tai Gooden: Yes, definitely don’t come find me where I live, because I’m not going to answer the door and stuff anyway, if you do, because I don’t have company ever. But you can find me On Twitter @TaiGooden you can find me on Instagram @writertaigooden.

Tai Gooden: So those are the two kind of main places right now. My, my blog is a little bit defunct. Twitter is probably the best place to be able to find me because that’s where I am constantly posting links to things that I’m writing on Nerdist and as well as things that I edit on Nerdist cause I like to kind of big up freelance writers and stuff that I, that I work with and make sure that their work gets seen, you know, on on more than one platform.

Tai Gooden: So you can find me there. And if you are interested in candles, you can find me on Instagram @faithandflamescandles and on Twitter @flamescandles. And right now I’m at the recording of this podcast where on hiatus, but we’ll be back soon now that I am settled in and into a new place. And I’ve kind of gotten past my hiatus point.

Tai Gooden: But if you’re looking for that, hopefully you’ll find me there and you’ll find something that you like. And yeah, so that’s it.

Talia Franks: Well, thank you again so much for being on. It was lovely to have you I’m so excited to have had this great conversation. Also, this is one of my favorite fics, so I’m just excited to have gotten to talk about it with one of my favorite people.

Tai Gooden: Well, thank you. The feeling is mutual. You’re definitely, definitely one of my faves.

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